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non-rich non-alt vs the twinks in wsg
Have been messing around w/ a couple new hunters on a new server. No money. No lvl 60 alt to arrange for WC/DM twinking runs (on old server I could trade off with other people or guildmates to get gear for alts - you run my alt thru DM, I run yours, that sort of thing).
So, my little BE hunter has been doing surprisingly well in wsg at 19, even though she has a Dragonhawk pet and is only BM specced because of the weak caster stats (at 19 bm is not a good pvp spec).
When I started I had 591 hp or something. Most twinks have over 1000 - warriors can have over 1600 (more is possible). But using a mobile/kiting strategy, I managed not to die all that often - and I managed to pump out some respectable damage. Even w/ low hitpoints I'd almost always end up in the top quarter for kb's (meaningless, I know) and sometimes the top damage done for the whole battlefield (now they show how much damage you do).
Some fights I had to go for flag, so my base numbers weren't as good. But overall I was surprised. Then there were fights where three or more twinks working in concert kept coming at me... not fun.
Anyway, since I'm already 19 I can't farm DM/WC for gear (couldn't anyway, no friends to help). I managed to luck out and get a dev scale belt for 2 or 3 g on the AH. And I got the killer farstrider's longbow (i think it's called that) from the final ghostlands quest, where you kill the boss of Deatholm. It does 14.4 dps or so and is blue - not a Venomstrike, but I didn't have to run WS 7 times to get it, either.
Instead of agi, I've focused on sta gear, green sta gear - bandit tunic of sta - some boots of sta - etc. I'm not an engi and don't have the goggles (I'm herb/alch). Anyway, I have about 900 hp unbuffed, and my alli mule just bought me something that should up that more -- and I might buy the staff from the wsg vender (sta +8) - which, w/ a hp buffing pot - might just put me over 1000 hp.
Even w/ around 900 hp I'm doing okay against the twinks. I can survive a backstab or ambush opener from a rogue - get him hamstrung - strafe off and kite. And note - my dps is not good compared to a MM build, which most hunters use for lvl 19. My pet doesn't even have Bite, just fire breath and growl (which i need to remember to turn off in wsg).
Anyway, I've seen a lot of people complain about twinks. I've been 1 killer and dps-dealer in several matches now, and I'm almost always in the top quarter. Hunters rock in WSG if you learn how to move. I know twink hunters who have close to 1600 hps (they got the lucky fishing hat - sta enchants on leg and hat, 100 hp to chest, etc.). I'm not anywhere near them, but I've spent less than 5g, which you can easily earn mining, skinning or selling herbs. And I haven't spent scores of hours in WC and DM farming gear!
In wsg, stay mobile - never just plant there and shoot - stay heads up. Yes, you sometimes have to stay still and shoot - but don't be - always be looking around. If two guys are coming at you while you're finishing off your target, start moving early. Move towards your teammates, up your tunnel, towards the heal hut if you're hurt - do concus shot asap - stop warriors from charging you - keep meleers and shamans at range. When attacked up close, wingclip and move. If hamstrung, wingclip the warrior and move unexpectedly - do not melee or you will die - try to get range and Arcane shot/poison shot - and let pet get him. Drop your fire trap so he'll step in it. Rogues are easy in open field, if you have the HP to survive the ambush. Wingclip and move. Strafe. Get distance and rely on Arcane shot and poison sting. At 19 they can't slow you (they don't have poison yet) - they can only gouge to stun you a sec (or sap).
If you can get over that pve mentalit of "I'm making my stand here - here I shall stand, shoot, win or die" - and learn to move - learn to kill w/ just pet damage, arcane shots (which u can do on the run), and stings - then yer a happy, kitin' fool like me. Now, if only I could learn to do that spin shot thing... gah, I need more twich factor.... (spin shot - on the run you spin and concus shot - killer stuff). GL!
(edit - the basic point is that in very little time, w/ no help from 60s, and spending under 5g, I've been able to strengthen my BE hunter so she can stand up against twinks. Does that make her a twink? She only has two blue items and one enchant - +3 sta on bracer. So no, she's not a twink - at best a semi-twink. Anyway, w/ gear and good tactics, you can take on twinks in wsg. That's the message - if you wanna try it, go to it! (blood rings, or something like that -- +5 sta x 2 -- can be bought cheap on AH (depending on server and your luck) and help a lot).
Edited, Feb 8th 2007 3:43pm by
So, my little BE hunter has been doing surprisingly well in wsg at 19, even though she has a Dragonhawk pet and is only BM specced because of the weak caster stats (at 19 bm is not a good pvp spec).
When I started I had 591 hp or something. Most twinks have over 1000 - warriors can have over 1600 (more is possible). But using a mobile/kiting strategy, I managed not to die all that often - and I managed to pump out some respectable damage. Even w/ low hitpoints I'd almost always end up in the top quarter for kb's (meaningless, I know) and sometimes the top damage done for the whole battlefield (now they show how much damage you do).
Some fights I had to go for flag, so my base numbers weren't as good. But overall I was surprised. Then there were fights where three or more twinks working in concert kept coming at me... not fun.
Anyway, since I'm already 19 I can't farm DM/WC for gear (couldn't anyway, no friends to help). I managed to luck out and get a dev scale belt for 2 or 3 g on the AH. And I got the killer farstrider's longbow (i think it's called that) from the final ghostlands quest, where you kill the boss of Deatholm. It does 14.4 dps or so and is blue - not a Venomstrike, but I didn't have to run WS 7 times to get it, either.
Instead of agi, I've focused on sta gear, green sta gear - bandit tunic of sta - some boots of sta - etc. I'm not an engi and don't have the goggles (I'm herb/alch). Anyway, I have about 900 hp unbuffed, and my alli mule just bought me something that should up that more -- and I might buy the staff from the wsg vender (sta +8) - which, w/ a hp buffing pot - might just put me over 1000 hp.
Even w/ around 900 hp I'm doing okay against the twinks. I can survive a backstab or ambush opener from a rogue - get him hamstrung - strafe off and kite. And note - my dps is not good compared to a MM build, which most hunters use for lvl 19. My pet doesn't even have Bite, just fire breath and growl (which i need to remember to turn off in wsg).
Anyway, I've seen a lot of people complain about twinks. I've been 1 killer and dps-dealer in several matches now, and I'm almost always in the top quarter. Hunters rock in WSG if you learn how to move. I know twink hunters who have close to 1600 hps (they got the lucky fishing hat - sta enchants on leg and hat, 100 hp to chest, etc.). I'm not anywhere near them, but I've spent less than 5g, which you can easily earn mining, skinning or selling herbs. And I haven't spent scores of hours in WC and DM farming gear!
In wsg, stay mobile - never just plant there and shoot - stay heads up. Yes, you sometimes have to stay still and shoot - but don't be - always be looking around. If two guys are coming at you while you're finishing off your target, start moving early. Move towards your teammates, up your tunnel, towards the heal hut if you're hurt - do concus shot asap - stop warriors from charging you - keep meleers and shamans at range. When attacked up close, wingclip and move. If hamstrung, wingclip the warrior and move unexpectedly - do not melee or you will die - try to get range and Arcane shot/poison shot - and let pet get him. Drop your fire trap so he'll step in it. Rogues are easy in open field, if you have the HP to survive the ambush. Wingclip and move. Strafe. Get distance and rely on Arcane shot and poison sting. At 19 they can't slow you (they don't have poison yet) - they can only gouge to stun you a sec (or sap).
If you can get over that pve mentalit of "I'm making my stand here - here I shall stand, shoot, win or die" - and learn to move - learn to kill w/ just pet damage, arcane shots (which u can do on the run), and stings - then yer a happy, kitin' fool like me. Now, if only I could learn to do that spin shot thing... gah, I need more twich factor.... (spin shot - on the run you spin and concus shot - killer stuff). GL!
(edit - the basic point is that in very little time, w/ no help from 60s, and spending under 5g, I've been able to strengthen my BE hunter so she can stand up against twinks. Does that make her a twink? She only has two blue items and one enchant - +3 sta on bracer. So no, she's not a twink - at best a semi-twink. Anyway, w/ gear and good tactics, you can take on twinks in wsg. That's the message - if you wanna try it, go to it! (blood rings, or something like that -- +5 sta x 2 -- can be bought cheap on AH (depending on server and your luck) and help a lot).
Edited, Feb 8th 2007 3:43pm by